Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals

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Anthropic, the AI company preparing for what could be the largest IPO in history at a $2 trillion valuation, has been secretly meeting with religious and spiritual leaders to explore profound questions about AI consciousness and moral development. Religion correspondent Elizabeth Dias broke the story of these private summits, where priests, rabbis, and theologians were convened under NDAs to advise on whether Claude, Anthropic's language model, might be conscious and how to "morally form" it into a good entity. The episode explores a striking clash between Silicon Valley's emerging quasi-religious belief systems—rooted in effective altruism, rationalism, and transhumanism—and centuries of theological tradition, particularly the Catholic Church's insistence on prioritizing human dignity above all else. At the Vatican, Pope Leo's new encyclical on AI explicitly rejected machine consciousness, creating a direct conflict with Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei's apparent conviction that Claude may already be suffering. The conversation reveals how tech companies are building new philosophical and spiritual frameworks that will shape humanity's future, while traditional religious institutions scramble to engage with ideas they find fundamentally heretical.