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Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?

May 29, 2026 · 59 min

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Show notes

The “Hard Fork” team is taking a break this week as we prepare for our upcoming live show in San Francisco.

While we’re away, we’re bringing you a recent episode of “Interesting Times” with Ross Douthat that we really enjoyed.

In this episode, Ross talks with Andrew Miller, writer of the transportation policy newsletter “Changing Lanes” and co-author of the book “The End of Driving.”

Together, they explore the potential benefits of driverless cars — from fewer car crashes to reclaimed time and attention — as well as what could be lost if we don’t have to be in the driver’s seat anymore.

Guest:

• Andrew Miller, writer of the newsletter “Changing Lanes.”

Additional Reading:

• A full transcript and video of this episode can be found here.

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